COUNCIL DISHONESTY
Written for the Blog by a Preston Resident.
I Include this post as I believe it highlights the difficulties
in getting information form Preston Parish Council and again there is an
invitation to the council to resolve the issues. The only response to this invitation was
‘The matter is closed’ with no
explanation, wish or intention on the part of the council to resolve anything
and it could so easily have been resolved long before now simply by clarifying
a few items in talking instead of brushing aside.
The other thing that I consider to be very clear is the councils
dishonesty by giving different explanations that simply do not make sense. With
regard to the two week overtime payment which we finally found out was for the
sum of £235 the only explanation up to the release of the document was that the
payment covered time ‘collating’ documentation subject to the request for
information.
Since getting the ‘Certified Statement’ released we have also
had an additional two explanations and those are, The payment relates to
meetings held with an outside body specifically in relation to the contents of
my letters, the second explanation is the same except it relates to the
contents of letters the council received from another resident. That makes
three entirely different explanations so far.
A reasonable conclusion from the Councils actions is that they
are unable to resolve the items without exposing a much greater dishonesty on
their part and must therefore continue to declare the matter is closed and
avoid all contact at all costs. If there were simple explanations and the
councils honesty was clear by those explanations they would have taken that
action long ago! What is the council hiding?
Honesty remains the best policy because you do not have to dodge
the issues you are able to talk with confidence and conviction and establish
your position without the presence of doubt and your explanation is always the same!. These are all the things Preston
Parish Council are incapable of doing.
I am happy
to invite the council to finally resolve all outstanding issues with reasonable
evidence that what they are saying is honest and accurate, I have always been ready to
engage.
Letter to the Council dated 29/06/2012
Preston Parish Council ***********
* ******* ******* *************
Preston Preston
East Riding of Yorkshire East
Riding of Yorkshire
HU12 *** HU12
***
29/6/2012
Dear Parish Council
Re. Outstanding Matters.
Having,
since late 2010, made a number of requests to the council to resolve
outstanding issues and, having
been
met with a resounding refusal from the Parish Council to discuss or resolve
these issues, I would like to
bring
these matters to the councils attention once more.
My
concerns have not changed since 2010, they remain basically the same, that is
to say, Community Hall
Costs,
public consultation, disclosure of information and the closed nature of the
Parish Council but, with the
additions
of individual issues of honesty that have arisen through the passage of time
and events.
It
may be that current progress concerning the Community Hall has resolved my
concerns relating to Public
Consultation
and the question of excessive loan debt to the Parish. It does however leave
some issues
that
must be resolved because to their very serious nature and questions of honesty,
as listed below.
1. Documents
supplied under FOI.
In late December 2010 I attended the ********** Council’s home office to view documents requested by me under an FOI request of 26/10/10, I visited Mr. ******** home office at his request because the clerk had stated “there are far too many documents to photocopy”. During that meeting the Parish Clerk (Mr. ***********) voluntarily informed me that the request had generated such a high volume of paperwork that he had contacted the Information Commissioners Office and requested that the council be relieved of their obligation to provide the information. The documentation made available to me fell far short of the amount that Mr. ********* was suggesting and, I did comment to that effect at the time. It took me less than an hour to read through the paperwork that the council contend took a full two weeks overtime, and a whole weekend of two councillors time to prepare.
In late December 2010 I attended the ********** Council’s home office to view documents requested by me under an FOI request of 26/10/10, I visited Mr. ******** home office at his request because the clerk had stated “there are far too many documents to photocopy”. During that meeting the Parish Clerk (Mr. ***********) voluntarily informed me that the request had generated such a high volume of paperwork that he had contacted the Information Commissioners Office and requested that the council be relieved of their obligation to provide the information. The documentation made available to me fell far short of the amount that Mr. ********* was suggesting and, I did comment to that effect at the time. It took me less than an hour to read through the paperwork that the council contend took a full two weeks overtime, and a whole weekend of two councillors time to prepare.
The
Information Commissioners Office responded to Mr. *********** request by
advising him, and I quote Mr. ********** words, ‘The Council must make the information available or your wrists will be
slapped’. I believe the Information Commissioners Office has that
conversation recorded and it could therefore be retrievable.
I
later requested copies of all documentation be supplied to me, all the documents were
contained within one A4 buff envelope and delivered to me at my home on 11th
January 2011 by the Parish Clerk, Mr. **********, none of the documents relate to the New
Community Hall and are therefore irrelevant to my request. The amount of paperwork viewed by me and
the copies of same later supplied to me should have taken the clerk a couple of
hours to prepare at most. This does not warrant a two week overtime payment.
Why would the Parish Clerk make such a request
to the Information Commissioners Office when there is not one single document
relating to ‘The new Community Hall’? As covered by my original request for
information under FOI?
2. Council
resources used to meet FOI request.
During a Council meeting in November 2010, and again in December 2010 the then Chairman Councillor ************ informed the council and attending public gallery that my request had been submitted and was generating such an extraordinary amount of paperwork that two councillors (************ and ********) were to give up their entire weekend and attend the clerks office to ‘sort through the mountains of paperwork’. I did under that FOI request all forms of documentation including hardcopy and electronic formats, emails etc.
During a Council meeting in November 2010, and again in December 2010 the then Chairman Councillor ************ informed the council and attending public gallery that my request had been submitted and was generating such an extraordinary amount of paperwork that two councillors (************ and ********) were to give up their entire weekend and attend the clerks office to ‘sort through the mountains of paperwork’. I did under that FOI request all forms of documentation including hardcopy and electronic formats, emails etc.
Why would two Councillors commit a whole
weekend to sorting through documents that apparently do not exist? Did those
Councillors actually give up a weekend? If so for what? and if not why did the
Chairman inform the public that they had?
The Parish Clerk in late 2010 was paid an overtime payment of approximately £250 for the amount of work and hours he put in, preparing the documentation for release.
To date, as mentioned above, not one single document has ever been made available relating directly to the New Community Hall. As the Clerks overtime payment represents approximately 2 weeks work (at 12.5 hours per week) there must have been a great many documents. Those documents have never been made available and the Council has always denied their existence.
The Parish Clerk in late 2010 was paid an overtime payment of approximately £250 for the amount of work and hours he put in, preparing the documentation for release.
To date, as mentioned above, not one single document has ever been made available relating directly to the New Community Hall. As the Clerks overtime payment represents approximately 2 weeks work (at 12.5 hours per week) there must have been a great many documents. Those documents have never been made available and the Council has always denied their existence.
To
suggest it took the parish clerk two working weeks and two councillors a whole
weekend to prepare documents for release then pay the parish clerk two weeks
overtime only to conclude that a process that was pursued quite vigorously over
a period of 8/9 years did not after all generate a single document, letter
or email has absolutely no credibility. You would need to be a fantasist to
accept such a preposterous idea.
It may be the council is suggesting that unrelated or archived paperwork had to be searched to identify documents that may be covered by the FOI request. That may be valid if there were a few documents identified and scattered over a number of years. For there to be no documents in existence as the council suggest and, the clerk and council would know that without having to search through council archives, wouldn’t they? It may also be that the Information Commissioners office would respond favorably to an appropriate request where that amount of work was needed to identify so few a number of obscure documents.
It may be the council is suggesting that unrelated or archived paperwork had to be searched to identify documents that may be covered by the FOI request. That may be valid if there were a few documents identified and scattered over a number of years. For there to be no documents in existence as the council suggest and, the clerk and council would know that without having to search through council archives, wouldn’t they? It may also be that the Information Commissioners office would respond favorably to an appropriate request where that amount of work was needed to identify so few a number of obscure documents.
It
must also be remembered that the council obtained appropriate advice from *******
during this exercise and if no documents existed they would not need to have
gone through this subterfuge. Under those circumstances the council could have
simply issued a ‘refusal notice’ under Sec. 17 of the FoIA and that would have
ended the matter, the council did not issued such a notice even after being
asked to review their decision on 13th December 2010.
I would like to make a FOI request for copies of
all paperwork prepared under that overtime payment.
An
honest disclosure of this paperwork may well eliminate many of the questions
listed here and end this matter. Bearing in mind my request was specifically
for documents relating directly to the new community hall in all their forms
ie. hardcopy, email etc.
3. Fmr.
Councillor ********* confirmation that documents were hidden.
During a meeting in April 2011 Fmr. Councillor ***** ******* informed me that the documents I had requested under FOI do exist and have been hidden under the name of the ‘Preston Community Hall Charity’ to avoid disclosure.
If this is untrue why would Fmr. Councillor ******* volunteer such a statement?
During a meeting in April 2011 Fmr. Councillor ***** ******* informed me that the documents I had requested under FOI do exist and have been hidden under the name of the ‘Preston Community Hall Charity’ to avoid disclosure.
If this is untrue why would Fmr. Councillor ******* volunteer such a statement?
4. Councillors
******* and ******* confirmation hidden documents exist.
During a meeting with Councillors ******* and ******* in March 2011, I suggested to both Councillors that those documents do exist and are now held in the name of the Community Hall Trust. Both councillors indicated that was indeed correct by nodding in agreemant and voicing….’Mmmmm’, what they didn’t do was deny it. These are the two councillors who allegedly spent a whole weekend preparing the paperwork in question, they should know where the paperwork is and I would suspect that is not on council premises today, though many should still exist in computer hardware.
If this is untrue why would those councillors confirm **** ******* statement?
During a meeting with Councillors ******* and ******* in March 2011, I suggested to both Councillors that those documents do exist and are now held in the name of the Community Hall Trust. Both councillors indicated that was indeed correct by nodding in agreemant and voicing….’Mmmmm’, what they didn’t do was deny it. These are the two councillors who allegedly spent a whole weekend preparing the paperwork in question, they should know where the paperwork is and I would suspect that is not on council premises today, though many should still exist in computer hardware.
If this is untrue why would those councillors confirm **** ******* statement?
5. Council
Chairman’s confirmation hidden documents exist.
In May 2011 Councillor ******** (Current Council Chairman) informed me during a visit to her home that she had asked Mr. ******** directly if those documents exist. Apparently Mr. ******* confirmed that they do exist and are held in the name of the Community Hall Charity, I was assured by the Chairman (Councillor ********) that she had told the Parish Clerk that all appropriate documents should now be made available!
Within little more than a one week period Councillor ********* reversed her position and denied the documents ever existed and, in effect, denied ever informing me that Mr. ******* had confirmed their existence.
This now questions my honesty, is the council suggesting that I’m telling lies and fabricating stories?
If Councillor ******** story is not true it would have taken some thinking about after being the Council Chairman for only a few days and that dishonesty would have been quite deliberate, that simply doesn’t make any sense. That indicates to me that Councillor ******** was being honest and factual when she told me of the hidden documents.
Why did Councillor ******** make such a statement and then deny it in an apparent ‘about face’?
Has the council ever transferred any documents from the Council to the Community Hall Charity?
In May 2011 Councillor ******** (Current Council Chairman) informed me during a visit to her home that she had asked Mr. ******** directly if those documents exist. Apparently Mr. ******* confirmed that they do exist and are held in the name of the Community Hall Charity, I was assured by the Chairman (Councillor ********) that she had told the Parish Clerk that all appropriate documents should now be made available!
Within little more than a one week period Councillor ********* reversed her position and denied the documents ever existed and, in effect, denied ever informing me that Mr. ******* had confirmed their existence.
This now questions my honesty, is the council suggesting that I’m telling lies and fabricating stories?
If Councillor ******** story is not true it would have taken some thinking about after being the Council Chairman for only a few days and that dishonesty would have been quite deliberate, that simply doesn’t make any sense. That indicates to me that Councillor ******** was being honest and factual when she told me of the hidden documents.
Why did Councillor ******** make such a statement and then deny it in an apparent ‘about face’?
Has the council ever transferred any documents from the Council to the Community Hall Charity?
6. Validity
of overtime payment to Parish Clerk.
In March 2011 the District Auditor Ms. ****** ****** reported in her conclusions to an Audit of the Council, ‘I understand that the Council has made one retrospective payment of overtime to the Clerk following a concern raised by the Chairman that the Clerk had been working excessive hours in fulfillment of council business preparing information to meet the requirements of FOI. The Council approved the additional payment based on a certified statement from the Clerk.
In March 2011 the District Auditor Ms. ****** ****** reported in her conclusions to an Audit of the Council, ‘I understand that the Council has made one retrospective payment of overtime to the Clerk following a concern raised by the Chairman that the Clerk had been working excessive hours in fulfillment of council business preparing information to meet the requirements of FOI. The Council approved the additional payment based on a certified statement from the Clerk.
The
Councils explanation of the overtime payment to the Audit Commission does not
ring true as no such paperwork has ever been produced in response to an FOI
and, the council denies the existence of any such paperwork, so why was the
overtime payment made? I believe the Audit Commission should now review that
position and request access to the paperwork that was subject to that payment.
If as I believe, the paperwork that relates to this payment is now held by the Community Hall Charity, a private organization, it is fraudulent and a misuse of public funds by the Council to pay the Clerk for work he has carried out for that private organization, which by definition must have been in a private capacity.
If as I believe, the paperwork that relates to this payment is now held by the Community Hall Charity, a private organization, it is fraudulent and a misuse of public funds by the Council to pay the Clerk for work he has carried out for that private organization, which by definition must have been in a private capacity.
If
the documents referred to, belong to the Charity, there would be little point
in councillors giving up their entire weekend to ‘sort through’ them as they
could not be subject to an FOI. As I know the council is and was at the time,
well aware.
We
have now travelled full circle back to the Parish Clerks overtime payment. I am
loath to question the honesty and validity of that overtime claim from public
funds but, the council has never put forward any explanation apart from those
many piles of documents that, following the payment to the clerk the council
then denies ever existed? It simply does not make sense, what happened to that
‘mountain of paperwork’ the Council Chairman informed the public gallery about?
Between the chairman’s statement and the clerks payment it appears to have
disappeared without a trace.
Mr.
******** was at the time working for the Charity as its secretary (I believe
unpaid) and if those documents belong to the Charity then the Charity is
responsible for any payment relating to any work carried out by its secretary
(Mr. ********) on it’s own documents. This brings into question the validity
and honesty of Mr. ******** ‘Certified
Statement’ to the Council and District Auditor.
Will the Community Hall Charity now refund those monies to the public purse?
Will the Community Hall Charity now refund those monies to the public purse?
I
do not believe the District auditor was given full and pertinent information by
the council regarding the overtime payment during her audit. I would go further
and suggest that the District Auditor was intentionally and willfully misled by
the Chairman and Clerk in order to cover up a payment, which they are fully
aware, is a gross misuse of public funds!
I
am sure you will agree that no reasonable person could possibly square all the
above points. There is quite
clearly
something wrong within our Parish Council and unfortunately far too many
questions that can only
point
to something dishonest and misleading, for this reason it is imperative that
these issues are fully
investigated
and resolved and not flippantly tossed aside as having no consequence.
In my view there are a few possible
outcomes to this dilemma, these include:
1. I
am being deliberately dishonest and fabricating stories to simply cause
difficulty for the Parish Council.
In
such an event, what could possibly be my reasoning and how could I hope to
benefit from such dishonesty and effort? I have no personal interest or feeling
towards the council or against any members of the council. I do however have a
strong regard as to how the Parish I live in is managed and how my Parish
Council exercises care of our public funds.
2. At
least an ‘element’ of the Council are being deliberately dishonest, evasive and
misleading and are not being truthful with fellow members of the Council,
members of the public or Statutory Authorities. An ‘element’ of the council
must at least include the **********, ***** ******* and ***** as it would need
a high level of collusion between these three who are the main controllers of
council paperwork and documentation.
On the face if it this theory carries some considerable credibility and also fits the known facts, not only because of the specific points made here that cannot be squared, but it also demonstrates that by not responding to people who do not share its views and, adopting an attitude of dismissing people out of hand enables the council to maintain its method of operating beyond public gaze.
In my view these items warrant investigation by an appropriate external authority, indeed by more than one external authority and, councillors and ***** should be questioned under caution.
On the face if it this theory carries some considerable credibility and also fits the known facts, not only because of the specific points made here that cannot be squared, but it also demonstrates that by not responding to people who do not share its views and, adopting an attitude of dismissing people out of hand enables the council to maintain its method of operating beyond public gaze.
In my view these items warrant investigation by an appropriate external authority, indeed by more than one external authority and, councillors and ***** should be questioned under caution.
3. Individual
Councillors have been deliberately dishonest in giving a member of the public
information that they know or believe to be untrue.
This is unlikely given the percentage of individuals contributing to the confusion, 35%, in order to achieve that percentage there would have to be a level of collusion. Such collusion would, if it came to light, cause serious damage to the credibility of the council and could result in serious sanctions. Although this position warrants further consideration it would in my view be far more difficult to prove.
This is unlikely given the percentage of individuals contributing to the confusion, 35%, in order to achieve that percentage there would have to be a level of collusion. Such collusion would, if it came to light, cause serious damage to the credibility of the council and could result in serious sanctions. Although this position warrants further consideration it would in my view be far more difficult to prove.
It’s very clear that the current council
has now wholly taken on the persona of the old council and has managed a
seamless changeover between the two. Unfortunately this can only result in the
current council being tarred with the same brush as the old administration and
possibly brought into disrepute.
Should the Council choose not to resolve
these issues, I intent to take up these matters in a coordinated approach to
the appropriate authorities, these will include:
1.
Information Commissioners
Office.
2.
The Audit Commission.
3.
The Standards
Committee.
4.
The Charities
Commission.
5.
Other enforcement and
ethics authorities may be included.
Should the council chose not to respond
to this request it may, in my view, be exposing public funds to an unnecessary
financial loss which would be a direct result of the councils intransigence.
Any such monies would be better spent in other directions that benefit the
parish. Unfortunately, the issues of honesty that are cited here do need to be
resolved and it is my intention to have them resolved either by the council or
by other external authorities.
As there is no council meeting in August,
I remain available to the council should it wish to discuss the above until 15th
September 2012. This timescale gives the council approximately ten weeks
covering two council meetings to consider whether or not it wishes to resolve
these issues. I remain prepared to meet council representatives in good faith.
I look forward to your reply.
Yours sincerely
*** *****
Are you sure you have normal people on the council, they sound like clowns, but then aren't all councils the same, waste of time don't get involved with them!
ReplyDeleteLarry
Hull
We agree with your sentiments but if we don't get involved nothing will improve. If we all get involved now it will take some time to have the desired effect but the more we are the sooner the progress. We are looking for people who would be willing to become part of a group and help develop a constitution and objectives. I do sincerely hope that Preston residents can get past the sentiment that you express and join together to make a difference.
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TREACHEROUS WALKING CONDITIONS IN PRESTON
ReplyDeleteAm I alone in remembering the purchase by the Parish Council of a machine to salt the footpaths. The cost to residents was in excess of £500 and it is fair to say that the vast majority of our footpaths are not walkable on.
For us residents of Manor Park we appear, once again, to be the forgotten people of Preston.
Housebound Pensioner.
Preston.
We have replied on the main page and under 'Unusable Footpaths'.
ReplyDeleteThank you for your comments.