Preston Village Debate page.
I would normally
prefer not to comment on another page but as administrators of the above page
have commented on this page I feel it only polite to respond in kind but
hopefully I, at least, will give some substance to my view.
I have recently read
Preston Village Debate page and apart from being pointless because members are
not allowed to say anything that is not politically correct, polite or nice
about people, companies, organisations or local authorities so, unless you can
balance on a fence and have no opinion there’s really no point in commenting
but then, if your concentrating on a balancing act there’s probably no point in
commenting anyway.....I know, it doesn't make any sense to me either!!
That may be the reason
why so few of its members actually comment on any issues and under such
restrictive conditions debate is somewhat difficult, that is bourn out by the
lack of debate on the page. I agree you have to have rules and limits have to
be set and members must abide by them but being so restrictive only serves to
stifle debate not encourage or create it!
The current “debate”
about travellers on Staithes Road isn’t actually a debate it’s just a
collection of opinions and even that has been criticised by administrators.
I think the
administrators should ask themselves if they are the right people for the role
of administering such a page and if they conclude they are afraid that someone
may be unkind, impolite or critical of someone else, company, organisation or
local authority I would think it time for either new administrators to be
appointed to liven the page up or set up a new page where opposing views can be
voiced and challenged.
If you look at the
definition of the word debate, you will come up with things like argue,
dispute, contest or oppose, the very things that are not permitted on Preston
Village Debate especially if you have strongly held views and voice them
passionately against some one who disagrees with you with equal passion, that
is all too often seen as an “attack” on someone and would therefore be deleted
and the author possibly removed. Like me, I’m sure there are many who no longer
know what is permissible and what is not, to date the rules have been made up
as the administrators stumble along altering or adding to the rules when
administrators disagree with a comment or view in order to justify its deletion
or the authors removal from the page, sounds a little autocratic to me.
I have no wish to cast
doubt on the sincerity of administrators of the page but if you look at the
number of debates on the page you may well come to the conclusion that there
are none and if there is anything that might resemble a debate contributors are constantly warned against
failing to be kind or balanced and that usually kills the debate stone dead!! So
we now return to “what is the point”.
To have a debate you
need honesty, sincerity, passion and commitment, which as far as I’m concerned create
conflicts of opinion and argument that leads to healthy debate and hopefully a
mutually agreed resolution. Most good debates are centred on controversial
subjects and opinions. If you are going to run a debate page then for heavens
sake let people get on and debate issues, because we might disagree with
someone else’s view doesn’t mean we’ll end up knocking 10 bells of hell out of
each other.
As for a local
authority not being able to defend itself that is not true, while I accept a local
authority has no defence against libel in law, libel law does give a defence
for a council as “utterances and council debate”. Therefore a council is able
to list as an agenda item the issue in question and debate it in council in
front of a public gallery and thereby refute any criticism, that would be the
right approach for a council to adopt, open, transparent and honest, it is
wholly wrong to suggest residents are not allowed to criticise a council
because it cannot defend itself.
It’s far more
appropriate to ask why a council doesn’t defend itself when it has every
right to do so and the means to do it. The alternative is not to criticise a
council on any subject or oppose their methods or actions, just let them get on
with whatever it is their doing and hope you’re able to vote them out at the
next common election if you happen to disagree with them. The problem with that view is that a council who is
unchallenged will become bolder and bolder in their actions and the amount of
damage they can inflict on a community during their 4-year term of office is
enormous. Bearing that in mind we as residents have a duty to question and
challenge a council when we feel they are failing, if we don’t we deserve everything
we get!!
We must also remember
that councillors are equally private residents and as such have a voice as
residents, hopefully from a position of awareness and knowledge, that is a
valuable addition to any debate that effects a local community, to cut off an
enquiry to such a person is to deny valuable input to the debate and lessen
it’s worth, another fault of administrators, in my view. A main duty of a Parish Councillor is to engage with residents, understand their views and needs so they are able to fully represent those residents in council. Failing to engage with residents is in my view a dereliction of their duty to the electorate.
Is Preston Village
Debate there to protect the interests of the Parish Council or encourage open
debate, it cannot do both.
I’ll probably get some
flak for this post but at least I’m honest, I have an opinion and everyone knows were I stand and
I’m willing to have a debate while respecting any opposing view.
what a very apt name Preston parish council problems... seems you sir are a very big problem to Preston villagers... reel your neck in and get a life eh ? quite frankly your boring !!!!
ReplyDeleteAnother one that would rather criticize my opinion instead of the issues, give us a view on some of the subjects or maybe explain why I'm a very big problem to Preston Villagers?
ReplyDeleteThis comment I’m sure would be removed from some pages but whoever they are they’re entitled to their opinion.
At least I know you read the blog, thank you for the comment.
You must be touching some raw nerves but I'm still waiting for them to prove you wrong if they can, until they do you have my support!
ReplyDeleteThanks for that Pete.
DeleteThis person is absolutely right
ReplyDeleteThank you for your comment.
DeleteWhy does the council even exist
ReplyDeleteThe council exists for very good reason and for the benefit of us all as residents, its when the position is abused as it is by some of the current council members that things go astray.
DeleteEveryone in Preston deserves better than what we current have because there is no engagement, accountability, openness or transparency, that can only lead to bad Local Government and in turn it is inevitable that residents suffer and lose out.
Your comment is entirely valid given the council we currently have.
Thank you for your comment.
Isnt there a new councillor who might make a difference?
ReplyDeleteHi Pete
ReplyDeleteYes there is a new councillor and I understand he's all signed up so there is at least some hope of things being challenged. He is a strong personality who I know is not easy to manipulate so I at least expect him to stand his ground and argue the point on behalf of residents. Let us not forget that there are some good councillors and my personal hope is the new councillor will act as a catalyst for them to act as a group for the benefit of residents.
Thanks for your comment Pete.
Maybe we could use your page for debating the issues.
ReplyDeleteMy initial response to your comment was "yeah, why not"........but I'm not too sure how that would work or how we would validate members. Not being the technical bod for this site I would need to take advice on the subject but I suspect I will be advised to open a Facebook page rather than use this blog and because there is already a Facebook page dedicated to debate I would wonder about the wisdom of that move. Let us see what happens to the Preston Debate Page, my tech man is away for at least a week but when he returns I'll enquire and post on the subject, good idea though.
ReplyDeleteThanks for your comment, interesting!
Afraid your right, no point in trying to debate anything there once the council is mentioned in any kind of negative light its all shut down very quickly and removed, same applies if this site is mentioned, it simply disappears. The only thing you hear on Preston Village debate is how the council are very helpful on pathways!! Could someone start a new site for open debate and not just a mouthpiece for the parish council?
ReplyDeleteHi Lisa
ReplyDeleteAnd I'm sometimes accused of a strong opinion!! Don't suppose you'd like to do a piece for this blog would you? I understand where your coming from and agree with much of what you say though I might not have voiced it so clearly.
Please email and we'll get right back to you.
Thank you for reading and for your comment Lisa.